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Seagull: Integrating Crossplex with Legasuite

Exclusive Interview with  

Andre den Haan  

CIO, Senior VP of Product Strategy & one of the founders of:   

Seagull Software   

 

  Read the origianl SofTouch CrossPlex interview, from March 2005, just prior to the SEAGULL acquisition.

  Read "IT In-Depths" initial analysis of SEAGULL's acquisition of SofTouch -- with links to the "Battle Royal" articles.

  Read "IT In-Depths" analysis of SEAGULL's acquisition of Oak Grove Systems on June 13, 2005.

Seagull [www.seagullsoftware.com] was founded in Holland in 1990 by a group of 17 entrepreneurs with AS/400 experience -- Andre den Haan being one of them.  The company went public in Holland in February 1999.  Prior to the introduction of its WinJa Windows/Web-to-mainframe product in 1998, all of Seagull’s activities were restricted to the AS/400 arena.  Seagull’s original claim to fame was GUI/400, a graphical development toolkit [with some autoGUI capability] for creating customized, Windows-based GUI front-ends for AS/400 applications.  GUI/400 was a market leader and was endorsed by IBM.

Seagull, though its current revenues are below $30M a year, is still a very well known (and relatively well liked) player in the 'legacy capital' arena -- particularly when it comes to low-cost terminal emulators and Java-centric host access.  It acquired Renex in April 2001, and its BlueZone offerings are based on Renex technology.   Transidiom, introduced in October 2000 (along with the now defunct TigerRay offering for host publishing), was Seagull’s premier host integration and component generation solution prior to obtaining CrossPlex from SofTouch in April 2005.  LegaSuite, introduced in June 2002, as the "LegaSuite Evolution Platform", is Seagull’s strategic branding for most of its non-Renex offerings.

Andre den Haan, CIO, Senior VP and one of the founders of Seagull, is here interviewed by Anura Guruge, the editor at large for IT In-Depth to find out how they intend to integrate the mainframe-based SofTouch technology with the prior LegaSuite offerings.

 

Andre den Haan

A member of the original group of employees that established Seagull Software in 1990, Andre den Haan has been with Seagull Software since 1990 and has responsibility for coalescing Seagull Software’s strategic product plans, establishing detailed product specifications, and managing the delivery of products to market. He has more than 18 years of experience in the IT market, including software development, project implementation and product management. Prior to establishing Seagull Software, Mr. den Haan was a senior technologist for Holland Automation International.

Andre holds a Bachelor Information Technologies degree from the Haagse Hogeschool in The Hague, the Netherlands.


Q1: Andre, acquiring SofTouch with its formidable CrossPlex 2.1 offering was certainly a great coup for SEAGULL and let me at this juncture congratulate you before we get distracted.  So congratulations, well done and I wish you great success.  Andre, I know that Transidiom already had well proven CICS, IMS, 3270 and database (including IDMS) connectors, and being Java-based was also, in theory, mainframe deployable.  So what are your short- to mid-term plans, say over the next 18 months, to position and integrate CrossPlex 2.1 with Transidiom, vis-à-vis LegaSuite?

A1: The addition of the CrossPlex mainframe resident integration engine to Legasuite will offer our customers the
      unique benefit of a choice between a mainframe resident
[q.v. large picture on front page], a distributed
     
 or a hybrid integration solution [
see pictures below].

      Having the option of a mainframe resident integration engine will give a huge boost to performance, scalability and throughput by placing the integration point as close to the source application as possible, thus minimizing expensive roundtrips and chattyness. At the same time a Hybrid solution will proove to be effective in keeping MIPS consumption on the mainframe under control by allowing XML parsing to be offloaded to a distributed platform.

      Our plans for the next 18 months, are to closely integrate the tooling in an Eclipse based Legasuite Workbench, and to  further enhance bi-directional - mainframe app as webservice client - capabilities, as well as to further strengthen support for IMS based systems.

LegaSuite Distributed Solution

 

LegaSuite Hybrid Solution

Q2: Andre, what does the SofTouch acquisition to do your relationship with HostBridge (and I find it vaguely ironic that they are, by chance, both out of Oklahoma) given that CrossPlex now gives you an impeccable CICS story?

A2: The relationship between Hostbridge and Seagull has ended with the acquisition of Softouch. The fact that both businesses reside in Oklahoma is merely a coincidence, and may be attributed to a relative high concentration of real mainfram skills in that area.

Q3: Andre, what is SEAGULL’s current stance on non-host adapters … or lets refer to them as contemporary applications adapters … for example PeopleSoft … relative to the other big players in the market … and also given that you don’t have an explicit relationship with any well known adapter vendors?

A3: Unlike host based systems, Application systems from SAP and Oracle/Peoplesoft and the likes have traditionally been equipped with what I would characterize as a set of API's - that typically allow you to write integration logic to feed information into these systems, or retrieve information from them, thus reducing the 'challenge' of integration and therefore the value of an adapter. This trend has recently accelerated as the industry is widely adopting Web services as the universal means for integration. As a result Seagull has chosen not to enter the market of application adapters. This however does not mean that we do not have relationships with SAP, Oracle/Peoplesoft and others. On the contrary, Seagull's technology is certified under these vendors respective programs as the integration technology that allows customers to interface between the Application systems and host based systems.

Q4: Andre, again sticking to the short- to mid-term, what is going to be SEAGULL’s response to customers, who having it heard it bandied about, with abandon, by some others, want to know whether they should be looking at an “Enterprise Service Bus” (ESB) oriented approach to implementing their SOA-based solutions?

 A4: ESB is a relatively new term, and at this stage it is not uncommon to find quite large variations in the definition of what it actually is. At the end of the day one will need certain network and infrastructure  / middleware support for handling, optimizing and managing the increased volume of webservices  traffic, and I think this is where ESB's will  eventually find their place to provide value add, while at the same time some of the support will just ubiquitously  find its way into the network. So my recommendation for now would be: If you can't wait till this area matures and you need the infrastructure now, stick to a proven piece of Message Oriented Middleware  - that maybe has some specific webservices capabilities added to it -, while at the same time keeping your eyes open on maturing products and capabilities to further assist in managing webservices in a Service Oriented Architecture.

Q5: Andre, given SEAGULL’s impressive reach and recognition in Europe, what are your plans to exploit CrossPlex 2.1’s VSE support in that market – noted for its large VSE installed base?

 A5: Seagull's initial focus will be on CICS customers, and this includes CICS customers running on VSE.

Q6: Andre, as my last question (at least for the time being), can you please share with us what guidelines and criteria that SEAGULL will recommend to multi-host customers if they want to know whether they should opt for a Transidiom on a Unix platform … with the necessary mainframe adapters … or an hybrid configuration of CrossPlex on the mainframe for the mainframe applications and Transidiom for the non-mainframe applications?

A6: The optimal architecture for a heterogeneous enterprise with multiple kinds of host systems is what we at Seagull refer to as "the hybrid deployment option". This means that for those platforms where this is supported, the integration points runs as close to the applications as possible - example: Crossplex in the CICS region -. For all other platforms AND acting as the enterprise front-door for all webservices and XML parsing ,  the distributed integration engine would be deployed on the platform of choice ( Linux, Unix, Windows, Mainframe).

Thank you very much Andre.

Andre, I have to say that this was a pleasure.  You do not beat around the bush.  You are a straight shooter.  That is great.  Makes your message easy to follow and appreciate.  Our readership will be grateful.  I wish you the best of luck and I hope you will agree to another interview where I can focus on the Oak Grove BPM technology.  Thank YOU.