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Exclusive Interview with
Andre den Haan
CIO, Senior VP of
Product Strategy & one of the founders of:
Seagull
Software

Read the origianl SofTouch CrossPlex interview, from March 2005,
just prior to the SEAGULL acquisition.
Read "IT In-Depths" initial analysis of SEAGULL's acquisition of
SofTouch -- with links to the "Battle Royal" articles.
Read "IT In-Depths" analysis of SEAGULL's
acquisition of Oak Grove Systems on June 13, 2005.
Seagull [www.seagullsoftware.com]
was founded
in Holland in 1990 by a group of 17
entrepreneurs with AS/400 experience -- Andre den Haan being one
of them. The company went public in Holland in February 1999.
Prior to the introduction of its WinJa
Windows/Web-to-mainframe product in 1998, all of Seagull’s
activities were restricted to the AS/400 arena.
Seagull’s original claim
to fame was GUI/400, a graphical development toolkit [with
some autoGUI capability] for creating customized, Windows-based GUI
front-ends for AS/400 applications. GUI/400 was a market leader and
was endorsed by IBM.
Seagull,
though its current revenues are below $30M a year, is still a very
well known (and relatively well liked) player in the 'legacy
capital' arena -- particularly when it comes to low-cost terminal
emulators and Java-centric host access. It acquired Renex
in April 2001, and its BlueZone offerings are based on Renex
technology. Transidiom,
introduced in October 2000 (along with the now defunct TigerRay
offering for host publishing), was
Seagull’s premier host
integration and component generation solution prior to obtaining
CrossPlex from SofTouch in April 2005. LegaSuite,
introduced in June 2002, as the "LegaSuite Evolution Platform", is
Seagull’s strategic
branding for most of its non-Renex offerings.
Andre den Haan,
CIO, Senior VP and one of the founders of
Seagull, is here interviewed by
Anura Guruge, the editor at
large for IT In-Depth to find out how
they intend to integrate the
mainframe-based SofTouch technology with the prior LegaSuite
offerings.
Andre
den Haan
A member of
the original group of employees that established Seagull Software in
1990, Andre den Haan has been with Seagull Software since 1990 and
has responsibility for coalescing Seagull Software’s strategic
product plans, establishing detailed product specifications, and
managing the delivery of products to market. He has more than 18
years of experience in the IT market, including software
development, project implementation and product management. Prior to
establishing Seagull Software, Mr. den Haan was a senior
technologist for Holland Automation International.
Andre
holds a Bachelor Information Technologies degree from the Haagse
Hogeschool in The Hague, the Netherlands.
Q1: Andre, acquiring SofTouch with its formidable
CrossPlex 2.1 offering was certainly a great coup for SEAGULL
and let me at this juncture congratulate you before we get
distracted. So congratulations, well done and I wish you great
success. Andre, I know that Transidiom already had well proven
CICS, IMS, 3270 and database (including IDMS) connectors, and
being Java-based was also, in theory, mainframe deployable. So
what are your short- to mid-term plans, say over the next 18
months, to position and integrate CrossPlex 2.1 with Transidiom,
vis-à-vis LegaSuite?
A1:
The addition of the CrossPlex mainframe resident integration
engine to Legasuite will offer our customers the
unique benefit of a choice between a mainframe
resident
[q.v. large picture on front
page],
a distributed
or a hybrid integration
solution [see
pictures below].
Having the option of a mainframe resident integration engine
will give a huge boost to performance, scalability and
throughput by placing the integration point as close to
the source application as possible, thus minimizing expensive
roundtrips and chattyness. At the same time a Hybrid solution
will proove to be effective in keeping MIPS consumption on the
mainframe under control by allowing XML parsing to be offloaded
to a distributed platform.
Our plans for the next 18 months, are to closely integrate the
tooling in an Eclipse based Legasuite Workbench, and to further
enhance bi-directional - mainframe app as webservice client -
capabilities, as well as to further strengthen support for IMS
based systems.

LegaSuite Distributed
Solution

LegaSuite Hybrid
Solution
Q2: Andre, what does the SofTouch acquisition to
do your relationship with HostBridge (and I find it vaguely
ironic that they are, by chance, both out of Oklahoma) given
that CrossPlex now gives you an impeccable CICS story?
A2:
The relationship between Hostbridge and Seagull
has ended with the acquisition of Softouch. The fact that both
businesses reside in Oklahoma is merely a coincidence, and may
be attributed to a relative high concentration of real mainfram
skills in that area.
Q3: Andre, what is SEAGULL’s current stance on
non-host adapters … or lets refer to them as contemporary
applications adapters … for example PeopleSoft … relative to the
other big players in the market … and also given that you don’t
have an explicit relationship with any well known adapter
vendors?
A3:
Unlike host based systems, Application systems
from SAP and Oracle/Peoplesoft and the likes have traditionally
been equipped with what I would characterize as a set of API's -
that typically allow you to write integration logic to feed
information into these systems, or retrieve information from
them, thus reducing the 'challenge' of integration and therefore
the value of an adapter. This trend has recently accelerated as
the industry is widely adopting Web services as
the universal means for integration. As a result Seagull has
chosen not to enter the market of application adapters. This
however does not mean that we do not have relationships with
SAP, Oracle/Peoplesoft and others. On the contrary, Seagull's
technology is certified under these vendors respective
programs as the integration technology that allows customers to
interface between the Application systems and host based
systems.
Q4: Andre, again sticking to the short- to
mid-term, what is going to be SEAGULL’s response to customers,
who having it heard it bandied about, with abandon, by some
others, want to know whether they should be looking at an
“Enterprise Service Bus” (ESB) oriented approach to implementing
their SOA-based solutions?
A4:
ESB is a relatively new term, and at this
stage it is not uncommon to find quite large variations in the
definition of what it actually is. At the end of the day one
will need certain network and infrastructure /
middleware support for handling, optimizing and managing the
increased volume of webservices traffic, and I think this is
where ESB's will eventually find their place to provide value
add, while at the same time some of the support will
just ubiquitously find its way into the network. So my
recommendation for now would be: If you can't wait till this
area matures and you need the infrastructure now, stick to a
proven piece of Message Oriented Middleware - that maybe has
some specific webservices capabilities added to it -, while at
the same time keeping your eyes open on maturing products and
capabilities to further assist in managing webservices in a
Service Oriented Architecture.
Q5: Andre, given SEAGULL’s impressive reach and
recognition in Europe, what are your plans to exploit CrossPlex
2.1’s VSE support in that market – noted for its large VSE
installed base?
A5:
Seagull's initial focus will be on CICS
customers, and this includes CICS customers running on VSE.
Q6: Andre, as my last question (at least for the time being),
can you please share with us what guidelines and criteria that
SEAGULL will recommend to multi-host customers if they want to
know whether they should opt for a Transidiom on a Unix platform
… with the necessary mainframe adapters … or an hybrid
configuration of CrossPlex on the mainframe for the mainframe
applications and Transidiom for the non-mainframe applications?
A6:
The optimal architecture for a heterogeneous
enterprise with multiple kinds of host systems is what we at
Seagull refer to as "the hybrid deployment option". This means
that for those platforms where this is
supported, the integration points runs as close to the
applications as possible - example: Crossplex in the CICS region
-. For all other platforms AND acting as the enterprise
front-door for all webservices and XML parsing , the
distributed integration engine would be deployed on the platform
of choice ( Linux, Unix, Windows, Mainframe).
Thank you very much Andre.
Andre, I have to say that this
was a pleasure. You do not beat around the bush. You are
a straight shooter. That is great. Makes your message
easy to follow and appreciate. Our readership will be grateful. I
wish you the best of luck and I hope you will agree to another
interview where I can focus on the Oak Grove BPM technology. Thank YOU. |